Debate Thread

I'm really just watching this in a big room on TV, so you're as equipped to deliver your thoughts as I am. Although, The Nation's Mark Cooper and HuffPo's Max Follmer are sitting in front of me, and Todd from MyDD and John Amato of Crooks and Liars on either side, so it's a somewhat bigger living room than yours. There are actually maybe 300 media folks in here.

Consider this an open thread and I'll check in where needed. This won't be a full liveblog.

...We are getting a live feed of Wolf Blitzer warming up the audience. He just said "I love politics." I expected him to say "I don't understand it, but I love it..."

...Someone in the audience just asked Wolf "Where's Anderson." Har!

...the best part of this debate is going to be when the cast of "No Country For Old Men" storms the stage at the end.

...People are really, really excited that the Democratic Party will be making history this year. It's not so much the money or the "star status" that drove everyone else from the race, it's this concept of making history that is so attractive to Democrats.

...ooh, there are opening statements! And Obama immediately acknowledges John Edwards. And he stresses the unity theme as well and how we will be making history in November. He still plays the past vs. future theme, however.

...It's a love-fest so far. Clinton is setting herself apart with the "ready on day one" theme, and picking up a lot of Edwards' themes, too.

...That was a good question by Doyle McManus, asking for specific policy differences between the two candidates. I want to interject that people in the crowd really like these candidates. And that tracks with what I've generally seen among Democrats. An Ed Helms sighting!!!

...Clinton's policy differences are about health care, the mortgage crisis, and meeting with foreign leaders. Obama agrees on health care, but cites the areas of similarity in preventive care and eliminating pre-existing condition. Obama thinks that cost control is more important than a mandate. On mortgages, Obama doesn't want an interest rate freeze because he's concerned that mortgage rates would go up across the board. Again he cites areas of similarity, like the lack of oversight in the lending industry. Obama cites lobbying reform. And now to Iraq. "What the next President has to show is the kind of judgment that will show we our using our military power wisely."

(I always say that it won't be a liveblog, and then I do a liveblog...)

...Another health care question. Obama distills the difference but it's kind of a fudging of the answer. I didn't realize, however, that people up to 25 could be covered under their parent's plan. Wow, Obama mentions the California plan, praises Schwarzenegger and Nunez but folds it into a general critique about mandates.

...Single payer got a bit of applause out in the crowd when Clinton brought it up. I do like that the two are pretty much touting their own plans and opening up this debate that usually sits in unread white papers on shelves. It's important to get this out in the open.

...Obama name-checks Ted Kennedy, and talks about "working together" to get health care done. There actually is a universal health-care plan, the Healthy Americans Act of Ron Wyden, that has 6 Republican co-sponsors. Obama knows Republicans will try to resist their plans, but that the process needs to be opened up. "Increase transparency and accountability to offset the power of lobbyists and special interests." There is a lot of power in that remark.

...Hillary mentions her work on S-CHIP and the Presidential veto. This will be devastating in down-ballot races in November. There is a lot of focus on coverage instead of care here.

...I have a feeling that the gasbags are going to be upset because there aren't any "fireworks." They should shut their pie hole. This is a solid spotlight for progressive ideas so far.

...Great lines by Obama "I don't think the Republicans will be a good position to talk about fiscal responsibility." "Somewhere along the line the Straight Talk Express lost some wheels." McCain's flip-flop on taxes has a real chance of being a big moment in the general election. I like that Obama shows a willingness to go after McCain.

...These moderators NEVER ask Republicans how they're going to pay for their plans. I could spend a day and go over every Republican debate. It doesn't happen. Republicans never have to be fiscally responsible.

..."We have a moral obligation to give the opportunity for health care." Obama and Clinton are unafraid to take on the tax bandit. And the public appears to be with them, based on most polls.

...Question about the impact on undocumented immigrants in the African-American community. Obama talked about this at LA Trade Tech, so he's well-prepared for this. Calls it "scapegoating." Good for him. "We are a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants." This is pretty much verbatim from his appearance earlier today.

...Here comes the illegal immigrants/driver's license question that we all knew was coming. Clinton backtracks first, and says that "there have been job losses in communities because of unscrupulous employers who exploit cheap labor." Talks about comprehensive immigration reform as being in the best interests of those communities who have experienced job loss. Nice mention of helping Mexico create jobs for their own people as a remedy. Truth be told it's maybe the most important one.

...now talks about driver's licenses as exacerbating the problem. She pretty much tacked on the driver's license issue onto a decent answer about CIR.

...Obama says that immigration wasn't the most popular issue at the time, but it was the right thing to do. Cites the Illinois version of the DREAM Act. Took another dig at McCain on this issue. Wolf is dying for some fireworks, prods away, but Obama is not playing that game. Then he defends the driver's license issue, which is really a problem about a license to drive being a federal ID.

...Clinton: "I cosponsored CIR in 2004 before Barack came to the Senate." You know, I think both candidates are pretty much on the same page on this issue. Except for the driver's licenses. So that becomes the MAIN issue in the view of the media. Obama states that "she's got a clear position now, but it took a while." I wish one of them would say "This is not a federal issue, and you're minimizing the debate because you've magically found a difference."

...the feed went out here for a second, and there was a collective groan.

...Question about experience. This is kind of teed up for Obama to describe his personal story. And now, Clinton can highlight her personal story. By the way, they're both good stories.

...Apparently you have to run a business to be elected President. Because the only President with a business degree was such a juggernaut! (Clinton brought that up too, and good for her.) Obama: "Mitt Romney hasn't gotten a good return on his investment during this campaign."

...Here we go with the Kennedy endorsement. Clinton responds with her support from RFK's children. She pivots over to the historic change that we'll get from an African-American or female nominee.

...Obama talks about his new generation of voters that he's bringing in. "Part of leadership... is being able to call on the American people to reach higher." Both play to their strengths in this question.

...Drudgico goes for a question about dynasty. She asks to be judged on her own merits. Uses the "It takes a Clinton" line from the stump, and people act like they haven't heard it before. It's a winning line.

...Boy, the liberal Hollywood stereotype isn't being too goosed tonight with these constant shots of Bradley Whitford and Diane Keaton and Rob Reiner and Pierce Brosnan, ay?

...That huge "Stop the War" banner outside is from Progressive Democrats of America. It's a good segue into this question on Iraq. Clinton says that all combat troops "should" be out of Iraq within a year. She goes in to the civilians that are there. This goes into the "The Iraqis are out of time" meme, blaming the Iraqi government for the foibles of the Bush Administration. "I certainly hope" 16 months will be enough time. Obama uses the "we must be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" line from the stump. Obama is MUCH more aggressive on McCain in this debate than Clinton. Mentions the "100 years in Iraq" comments. Obama, of course, does a little "blame the Iraqis" here too.

..."If we were concerned about Iranian interests, we shouldn't have installed this government in the first place." That's a REALLY good answer, and a progressive critique. "I don't want to end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into the war in the first place."

...Clinton importantly talks about the need to stop Bush from entering into a permanent status of forces agreement. I wish she would have mentioned the signing statement he just signed saying he doesn't have to respect a ban on funding for permanent bases.

...Clinton: "The Republicans are committed to George Bush's policy... the Democrats have a much better grasp of the reality of the situation we are confronting." Then hits Obama on not having the necessary credentials or gravitas. Clinton does understand the "you hate the troops" trap that the Republicans will set in November.

...Obama "I welcome the progress." Of course, the progress is a myth. He comes back well with "We have set the bar so low that it's buried in the sand at this point... we are back to intolerable levels of violence." He ends up making a decent case, but it started off clunky.

...Clinton has a lot of trouble with this question about whether or not the war was a mistake. She's better at it, but it sounds like nitpicking and "That evil genius Bush fooled me!" That just doesn't play. Blitzer kind of brings up the same point. Clinton kind of doesn't answer and tries to put Obama on the same footing, which isn't the question. She's digging a hole by saying "I was given assurances by the White House." Brings up Saddam and bin Laden in the same sentence. Sheesh.

...Obama says that the AUMF in Iraq was clearly a vote to go to war. "It is important to be right on day one." When Iraq is linked to judgment, Obama has a leg up in this debate.

...Here we go with a question about violence in the media. Obama says "The primary responsibility is for parents." Well at least that's something. This had the potential to get really silly really fast.

...now a question about Bill Clinton's role. "I'm running for President and this is my campaign and I want the campaign to stay focused on the issues." Interesting that Chelsea is there but not the Big Dog.

...Blitzer asks Obama about the "dream ticket" of Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton. "There's a big difference between those two." This is a softball. He then replays parts of his stump speech at LA Trade Tech today about how he wants integrity, independence and competence in his cabinet. That appearance really was debate prep today.

...Same question for Clinton: "I have to agree with everything Barack just said."

I think both of them came off really well tonight, with very few exceptions.